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October 4, 2019 at 6:21 pm #281140Paula SimoesParticipantNo badges. No points.
Thank you Joshua , this is very helpful for me,
Meanwhile I did some “research” and learned that if the paper is heavy enough, you dont have to stretch it, because it wont buckle. Forgive me everyone for I was wrong on my first post.
I’m still doing tha basic lessons but I,m already loving the course and already learn so much. I,m having fun practicing and hope to post something for critique in a week or two…or three…a sphere or something like that, dont expect much more for now…
I signed up NMA because of this course and Iliya. I’m glad I did it, Im loving it…
I looked other courses that seam great also, but this one is enough for now
Thank you very much ( and forgive any misspelled word).
Regards everyoneOctober 16, 2019 at 3:28 pm #288071Laurie HellewellParticipant
Could someone please clarify what size cradled panel is needed. In the video, it looked about the size of the 18×24 sketch pad but that wouldn’t make much sense with the 36″ rolled paper because there would be a lot of waste. Thanks very much!July 6, 2020 at 7:06 pm #616815Becca YoungParticipantNo badges. No points.
I am brand new to the stretched paper and panel. I have never even heard of it! Do we take the paper off when we are done? Do I need to buy a new panel for each piece? Is there a difference between an art panel, painting panel, cradle panel? I am trying to find the cheapest option so I can experience the class fully. I have put off buying these tools, but now I am at the lesson where I should have it. Thank you for this class!August 6, 2020 at 9:00 pm #660554
The roll of paper that I only can find is over 40″, does anyone know where to get a smaller width?August 7, 2020 at 8:26 am #661078Iliya MirochnikParticipant
Ok so let me address all of your questions.
1. Paula, the weight of the paper does make a difference, and it is true that really heavy paper, like 140 lbs watercolor paper can withstand a lot more water without buckling. That said, almost all paper will and stretching totally eliminates that problem, because if it does buckle, it’ll just re-stretch as it dries, plus it gives you a nice solid and sturdy surface to work on.
2. Laurie, the sizes of the panels I use are 18×24 for the portrait, 24×48 for the figure and then a much larger panel for the double figure. Basically, a 16×20 or 18×24 is perfect for the portrait and any panel which is 2 squares in height ( length is twice the width) will work for the standing (and even upright sitting) figure.
3. Becca, the panels are completely reusable. All you have to do is carefully cut out the drawing along it’s perimeter and remove the paper still left on the sides (I would remove the staples every 2-3 stretches). The cheapest option would actually be to make one yourself. It doesn’t take a lot handywork, as you can go to Home Depot or Lowe’s and have them cut the Masonite and 1×2’s to size. but either way, it’s an investment, because as I said, they last.
4. Raven, the size of the roll of paper only needs to be about 3-5 inches wider than the width of your panel and I’ve seen many different rolls.
I hope this helps. Feel free to post more questions and I’ll get to them as soon as I can. Thank you so much for investing your time in my course, it really means a lot to hear about your positive experience (but don’t hold back on the negatives either as we’re always looking to make things better!)
IliyaAugust 7, 2020 at 9:41 am #661188
Thank you very much for all the replies, this means a lot to me. If I understand it correctly, on Paula’s question, that you are suggesting we use the 140 lbs watercolour paper. For your answer to Laurie’s question, for the double figure a 36 x 72 panel would be the best size to either make or buy.
I will do some more online research for different width rolls, we do not have any artist stores where I live, so I have to do all my art supply shopping online.
I do have one question, my biggest weakness right now is proportion, I’m still looking at your artist material videos so far. So my question is this, at what point in the lessons do you start teaching proportions? Please and thank you.
I very much look forward to your lessons and your unique way of teaching, your course is why I bought a subscription. From time to time will you critique drawings in that are left in this comments section? It’s very important to learn that way.
Raven 🙂August 7, 2020 at 4:52 pm #661654
How many drawings will we do on the 18×24 panel before moving to the next size?August 8, 2020 at 3:43 am #662036Iliya MirochnikParticipant
For the paper I’m not actually suggesting the 140lbs watercolor paper, although depending on the company that could be good paper. The advantage of stretching is that you could use relatively thin paper and get similar results. You’ll have to experiment, but from my experience, any paper can be stretched. I would recommend The Strathmore Mixed Media. It’s a good thickness and relatively smooth.
As for proportions, basically, all I can say is stick with it and you’ll see yourself improve in that department. In a sense, I don’t teach them directly, we don’t count heads, or remember ratios because I think that’s all needlessly confusing and most often impossible to apply correctly. That said, knowing those things is helpful and you can find that in many good books. Paul Richer is my go to for proportions. But, that said, the whole measuring of angles exercises, is in fact a way to get proportions. Later, when we draw boxes for the rib cage and pelvis, the proportions of the boxes themselves are discussed, as well as the spaces between them. That’s how I teach proportions, and I think it works. Let me know!
Yes, I regularly visit the forums and comment on work so I’ll look forward to seeing yours.
In the course, one drawing is done on the 18×24 board, but I recommend you do at least 2-3 more portraits before moving on from the NMA reference library.
Hope this helps!
IliyaAugust 8, 2020 at 5:32 am #662132
Thank you very much for your answers, your answers do help. 🙂
RavenAugust 10, 2020 at 6:17 am #665203Jaelen RichburgParticipantNo badges. No points.
hello, i am ready for my drawing class.August 14, 2020 at 7:41 am #671247
Did you also study oil painting, and if so will you have a Russian Painting Course in the future?August 17, 2020 at 11:24 am #675496Natalie MontelongoKeymaster
@RavenShadowz NMA has plans to record a Russian Painting Course with Iliya! 🙂August 20, 2020 at 1:39 am #679110
Thank you very much! 🙂August 21, 2020 at 6:14 pm #681687Jonathan CrinerParticipantNo badges. No points.
I started this course today, and I did not skip the five pages of tonal drawings, although I did not get them done yet (I spent 30 minutes on one page after working on a computer for 8 hours, it was actually a little tiring on the wrist). I’m finding the lined paper has imperfections, but in general the tone is smooth. I would say I’m good, except that I have been struggling with tonal rendering in figure drawing, I kind of assume I am not. I’m also noticing that my old eyes are a challenge (too close I need reading glasses, too far I can’t wear the glasses, but can’t see the details, it’s hard to shift back and forth), so that is fun trying keep everything in control. Strangely, I got the dot-to-dot thing down pretty quickly. I expected to struggle with that as well.
I’m looking forward to this course, and the portrait and figure drawing courses that follow.December 19, 2020 at 5:33 am #1020251Yonatan BenarocheParticipantNo badges. No points.
in the video he didn”t mentioned all the different types of pencils.. can you get more detailed about it?
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